It's not your fault, I feel it's my responsibility to remind people no one here is a medical expert. It's easy to feel that way when you have been in the tulpa community for awhile, but at the end of the day no one here is a practicing doctor
I do not have the expertise to diagnose myself. Reading symptoms on the internet is a very easy way to get "medical student disease" and convince myself I have a diagnosis I don't have.
It's a common problem that's a genuine concern in general, especially if you are assuming you have a certain diagnosis when looking at symptoms. If you go in with such a bias, you will likely find things that will confirm your bias.
Alexia
the best person to diagnose you... is yourself*
@sh - jump
I don't think it's something a doctor would say even if they have good knowledge.
Still, I think it doesn't mean we can't share the knowledge we have. The new guy is unlikely to have DID and if we spam them with "go to the doctor" I doubt it will affect them going to the doctor or not and won't just increase their paranoia unnecessarily.
people act like it's a forbidden art to just... do it yourself
and i understand why you think that's bad or dangerous but it's only bad or dangerous if you've got no clue how anything works
That is not a healthy mindset to have. A doctor has gone to school for a very long time to be an expert in their field and has access to information resources the average person has not. To assume you know better than your doctor can genuinely put you in harm's way, the wrong diagnosis can lead to someone not getting help, being given the wrong approach on how to help themselves that makes their situation worse, and/or receiving medications that won't help them by causing side effects with no real benefit.
A long kiss goodnight
That is not a healthy mindset to have. A doctor has gone to school for a very long time to be an expert in their field and has access to information resources the average person has not. To assume you know better than your doctor can genuinely put you in harm's way, the wrong diagnosis can lead to someone not getting help, being given the wrong approach on how to help themselves that makes their situation worse, and/or receiving medications that won't help them by causing side effects with no real benefit.
why don't you trust people to get that information responsibly at all then? i can understand as an average, but surely there are at least some people that are able to self dx responsibly? or can you not imagine that?
i don't think we should use one rule for all
maybe i should get some selfdxing besties here to show you how it hasn't ruined their whole lives, broken their arm, and burnt down their house
sh
why don't you trust people to get that information responsibly at all then? i can understand as an average, but surely there are at least some people that are able to self dx responsibly? or can you not imagine that?
i don't think we should use one rule for all
maybe i should get some selfdxing besties here to show you how it hasn't ruined their whole lives, broken their arm, and burnt down their house
Just because some people didn't get hurt doesn't mean the practice of self-diagnosis is safe and should be recommended. I genuinely am concerned that advice is harmful to give out
Differential diagnosis is about the method, not the result. The fact that someone with did approves a test is not valid evidence of it being a good test.
7:31 PM
Self-tests are a very complicated subject, for example, people filling them often "lie" without noticing in a way that biases the test towards their desired result, even if the questions actually resemble the DSM specifications a lot more stuff has to be taken into account to make a good test.
if i understand it correctly, even doctor's shouldn't be diagnosing themselves
7:44 PM
shield was asking good questions helping dan explore the issue outside of what people normally talk about when considering potential of having did/osdd, but i label of traumagenic or not traumagenic doesn't matter
What i mean is that if there is distress, its not that relevant if it is or not traumagenic, unless a doctor tells me that actually traumagenic systems are treated differently, which i doubt since Im pretty sure they just assume all plurality is traumagenic. And if there is no distress it doesnt matter either.
i've been on therapy for 3 years treating DID and plurality was never touched by my therapist, it's the other symptoms of the disorder that are problematic and need attention
The term "tulpa" was borrowed from a book by Alexandra David-Neel documenting her experiences staying with Buddhist monks in Tibet a hundred years ago, where she translated "sprul-pa"/emanation bodies as "tulpa"
1:20 AM
Nothing else about tulpamancy has anything to do with Buddhism, only the word, which was never a Buddhist word to begin with
1:20 AM
Just a poor translation
1:22 AM
If you want to read about the actual Buddhism stuff (keeping in mind whatever Neel talked about was clearly a small, random sect out of countlessly many of Buddhism), this would be the page for the term that was translated to Tulpa (but what wikipedia writes about differs from what Neel wrote about, which is why I believe it was just a small, now probably forgotten sect)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprul-pa
1:22 AM
But I assure you early tulpamancers were not Buddhists and did not get any of their concepts from Buddhism.
Luminesce:Most importantly, my system developed before the internet started talking about "Tulpamancy" by pure chance and came to many of the same conclusions on our own that the Tulpa.info community would. I had zero outside influence past the vague concept of an "Imaginary friend" (which I never had as a kid), meaning "tulpas" (but obviously, plurality in general) is a concept that can come up innately in human brains.(edited)
its not relivant, i dont see the point in learning the buddist version as it has nothing to do with us and its better to keep us apart, we dont need religion in this
Luminesce: (There are plenty of systems like my own, including many who have had "tulpas" for even longer than I have, dating back 20-30+ years)(edited)
Emanation bodies are also not talked about at all on wikipedia like Neel talked about them a hundred years ago, so again, it seems she learned from a random sect (offshoot that has their own ideas) of Buddhism, which I don't think even survived to modern times
Luminesce: Basically, "tulpamancy" is not even the right subject to be looking into if you're looking for ancient historical origins. Greater "Plurality" exceeds tulpamancy history by a lot, and as An is saying, basically no modern ideas involving plurality were "the origin" of the phenomenon - it really does just seem like something our brains can innately do with enough prompting(edited)
1:30 AM
Whether as a coping mechanism in DID, as a creative tool with "living characters" for writers, or (mind this is an atheist view) in people who historically thought they were talking to angels, spirit guides, or whatever other religious figures in their minds
1:30 AM
And I think modern exploration of this phenomenon is more insightful than ancient.
“Hey I noticed this thing that our brains can do, I called it this and this is what I use it for!”
“Oh I also noticed that function in our brains and I called it something different and I use it for something else!”
“What!? That group found it first you can’t use that function in the brain you aren’t using it like the original group that noticed it!”
I find it strange (an atheist view too) that an angel voice would simply not admit that they know nothing about being one unless I'm understanding this wrong.
Luminesce: If the host thinks a tulpa/thoughtform is something, they tend to think it too. That's why it's so dangerous to make tulpas based off of characters or real people too closely - they tend to have an identity crisis when they eventually have to come to terms with the fact that they are not who/what they thought they were.(edited)
Luminesce: If the host thinks a tulpa/thoughtform is something, they tend to think it too. That's why it's so dangerous to make tulpas based off of characters or real people too closely - they tend to have an identity crisis when they eventually have to come to terms with the fact that they are not who/what they thought they were. (edited)
That's a question for those who felt that way - my tulpas never felt they were the actual characters they'd come from, though they did share a lot of emotional attachments early on(edited)
1:37 AM
It's just down to how imaginative/open to metaphysical concepts the hosts are, I suppose
I have schizophrenia (got banned from the other big tulpa discord for it, this place is nicer anyhow) I wonder if it's possible to turn it into something positive that's aware. Not that that's what I can do since my medication is working decently at the moment.
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